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Posted: September 09 2006 09:16 AM
 
john lindvig (aka johns56) [ View ] [ horsepedlr@aol.com ] [ Car Ads ] [ Blogs ]
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ok guys i know this may sound stupid but..... is the backspacing the same for reg wheels vs reveresed wheels.?
 
 
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Posted by 31tudor  -  09/07/2006 09:40 PM

The term "reversed wheel" has kind of taken on a life of it's own. Originally a reversed wheel was called that because the center of the wheel was actually reversed inside the hoop, giving what is technically a negative offset. Now it's kind of a blanket name for any "deep" wheel. Kind of like Xerox?



On Ford and Mercury wheels (and probably most makes) of the 40's (and I think early 50's) the centers were riveted to the hoop. If you were to drill all but two opposing rivets you could literally spin the center inside of the wheel without removing it, then weld up all of the rivet holes. Basically, although the center stayed in the same location when bolted to the hub, the hoop and tire moved toward the outside of the car.



I know that doesn't answer your question, BUT the difference between a 3-3/4" and 4" of backspacing is 1/4", right? Just measure from the inside lip of the wheel 1/4" toward the inside of the vehicle and make sure nothing interferes. The new wheels with 4" backspacing will move your wheels IN 1/4". This may or may not be what you're looking for... things like fender lip clearance come to mind here.



There are two other important things to consider when measuring here too! First, remember that the innermost edge of the rim moved toward the center, and so did your tire. Check steering lock-to-lock and make sure that you don't have the inner sidewall rubbing either. A 1/4" can make a big difference when magnified by steering angles. Second, if you're replacing a wheel with more or less backspacing but the same width, remember that you are also changing the distance between the outer sidewall and the fender lip.



I probably didn't tell you anything you don't already know... just rambling here, sorry.

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Posted by johns56  -  09/07/2006 07:44 PM
ok . so the backspace would stay the same for a reverse rin? or do you need less because of how the rim is built. i know how to measure it. but am confused about how a reversed rim will fit.
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Posted by johns56  -  09/07/2006 07:52 PM
my problem is the stock backspace on the chev is 3 and 3/4 the backspacing on (standard )on reversed rim is 4". will i be in trouble.
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Posted by 31tudor  -  09/07/2006 10:06 PM

Yes you did! But I'd rather listen that talk. Sometimes I go off on a tangent though...

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Posted by BigAlBre  -  09/08/2006 12:41 AM
Very informative Eric.... thanks
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Posted by 31tudor  -  09/07/2006 06:33 PM

Easy one John... and the only stupid questions are the ones you don't ask.



Offset refers to the amount of space between the inside wheel lip (outermost edge) and the mounting surface of the hub. Zero offset means that the wheel hub is exactly in the center of the front and rear wheel lips.



A reversed wheel typically has very little back space, resulting in what most people used to call a "deep dish" wheel. This is also called "negative backspace".



Positive offset is where the backspace is greater than the distance from the inside lip to the wheel hub, than from the outside lip to the wheel hub. Positive offset is measured from the wheel hub to the outermost edge of the wheel. Positive offset wheels are commonly found on front wheel drive cars.



Negative offset is measured in inches, positive offset is measured in centimeters. Hope this helps. I'll attach a diagram I drew years ago to help a friend.

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Posted by da34guy  -  09/07/2006 06:38 PM
WOW! Hey John, ole Eric (31TUDOR) actually young---is a walkin text book of info. Good explanation Eric.
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Posted by da34guy  -  09/07/2006 09:44 PM
Eric----Never knew u were so long winded !!!
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Posted by 31tudor  -  09/08/2006 08:54 PM

I love learning! There are a few things that I know well that I try to share, but most of the stuff posted here is a learning experience for me! That's why I read every thread, to learn!



And no, you're not stupid. As long as you're willing to ask and learn you're miles ahead of most people!

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Posted by johns56  -  09/07/2006 10:22 PM
ok. so if you have an 8 wide rim and you reverse the rim and have a 4 inch backspace what have you gained? the mounting holes are still in the center of the rim. right?
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Posted by johns56  -  09/08/2006 02:20 PM
i think i got it. finally. thankyou for your patience with mr stupid. :~) i really like the look of a deep rim on the back of the car with the front being "stock" you are a gentleman and a scholar. again thanks.
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Posted by crash12888  -  09/08/2006 05:28 PM
Hey John, I don't answer or reply to every post but I'll tell you one thing, I learn from them all as I have from this one. Mr stupid? No way, No one is stupid, it's just that no one knows everything. Ya stop asking, Ya stop learning.
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Posted by 31tudor  -  09/08/2006 11:27 AM

Yes and no. Although an 8" rim may have the hub surface mounted in the middle measuring 4", the extreme edges of the center are welded to the hoop in another location. If you were to "reverse" the center you can see how dramatic the change is. The mounting point stayed the same, the hoop stayed the same. Simply flipping the center 180 degrees changes the depth of the wheel substantially.



What used to be the outside portion of the hoop is now toward the inside. Does that clarify it? I'm afraid that I still haven't really answered your question.



Here's a quick diagram. The red line indicates the mounting surface to the axle.

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Posted by JAWS  -  09/08/2006 09:13 PM

Holy Kow, Eric.



That's got to be the best explanation I have ever seen/heard on this topic.



Somehow I feel smarter just reading this thread........Thanks.-Brant

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Posted by Dawg56  -  09/09/2006 04:47 AM
A reversed wheel is the rim itself. If you look at the rim there is a lower part where the tire has to be when it is mounted in order to get the rest of the tire over the lip. Most factory wheels have this part of the rim towards the outside of the car. This gives more room on the back of the rim to clear disk brakes. Look at any wheel, and forget about the center part. Then flip it over and look at the rim on the other side and you can tell the difference. A reversed wheel has the rim reveresed from the factory look which makes the wheel look deeper because the bigger part of the rim is to the outside now. Back spacing is the same on reveresed wheels as it is on reg wheels. The way the rim is made means on a reveresed wheel you can get more backspacing.
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Posted by johns56  -  09/09/2006 09:16 AM
dawq56. there now i got it for sure. thanks.
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Posted by REBORN55  -  09/07/2006 08:17 PM
John most rally wheels have a 4 inch backspacing and fit almost all Chevy applications. That backspacing will fit your 56 with no problem. I ran those on my 55 for years and now have Centerlines with 3 1/2 inch backspacing.
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