Boxing in original frames Some say YES some say NO
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Boxing in original frames Some say YES some say NO
Posted: May 06 2008 08:10 AM
 
Brian Misner (aka steelhorsefarms) [ View ] [ Email ] [ Car Ads ] [ Blogs ]
White Cloud, Michigan
 
The frame that I have is very solid of a 1933 dodge, Is it necessary to box in the frame of a everyday runner , Nothing radical on the engine . Very interested in your comments !!!!!!!!!
 
 
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  05/06/2008 08:38 AM
box the front where you do your cross member swap.
dont poke the porchdog........he bites [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] BLUFF DALE, Texas Charter Member since March 2003
 
Posted by Superior Glass Works  -  05/06/2008 10:07 AM
We worked on a 29 Chrysler recently and the original rails were VERY stout. We did a full box, but not sure it was really needed. Some original rails are pretty flimsy, and depending on what you are doing the the suspension and center x-member, boxing can give unlimited mounting points on the inside of the frame.
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Posted by orphans2  -  05/06/2008 11:17 AM
My 34 Plymouth's frame was boxedfrom the trans crossmember forward to provide support for the engine, trans and Mii additions. Frame is stout, but decided to box before versus later.
orphans2 [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Stewartstown, Pennsylvannia Charter Member since November 2001
 
Posted by scooting  -  05/06/2008 09:36 PM
How much torque did the stock engine put out?

How much torque will your new engine put out?

How fast are you going now when you hit a huge hole or bump in the road?

How easy is it to add a boxing plate to the frame vs fixing a bent frame?

Answer to all these will lead to a vote for boxing it from the crossmember forward.
scooting [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Elkridge, Maryland
 
Posted by dixie  -  05/06/2008 09:46 PM
had a 40 dodge with nova clip boxed only at crossmember like Shine said never any trouble car still going today.
jim grace [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] dade city, Florida Charter Member since January 2006
 
Posted by CK  -  05/06/2008 10:11 PM
I had a '33 Dodge Coupe. The frame is strong, only boxed near motor mounts and cross member for rear shocks. Ken
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Posted by sixguns  -  05/07/2008 12:05 AM
pictures are worth a thousand words
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Posted by TooFat  -  05/07/2008 09:51 AM
Everything needs some flexability, but when it comes to squeeks and creeks that we don't want especially in your new pride and joy, that's enough to make you think on that particular rod run what was that? No it's not that bad.

To fully box the frame is only a little more effort, but you must take into account the mounting points for everything must be welded to the inside of the outer frame . I have seen a few cars in Australia do the 1/4 mile strip whithout a boxed frame only to eventually crack there side glasses. If the glass cracks it means one thing and that is the body is flexing. Ok you don't want to drag race , but consider going over a kerb and channel or the land where you are parking your ride for the day is not level and you or your kids have to get out and open the doors.

Would be nice to know that everything is opening and closing without any distortion.

Ask yourself the ? How long do you want to keep the rod? If it's a long time there is nothing worse than repeating yourself. Do it right the first time around.

P.S... I'm use to ford frames don't know how the dodges are put together. Could be better.
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  05/07/2008 10:06 AM
on early fords and some other cars the frame is held ridge by the body also. that is the reason for so many mounting spots. i box the front but it is pretty stout since it is a double wall where the xmember joins the outer frame rail. boxing the rear and a new shock bar a more important since the rear is going to have a little more weight and stress.
dont poke the porchdog........he bites [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] BLUFF DALE, Texas Charter Member since March 2003
 
Posted by jimmothershead  -  05/08/2008 09:54 AM
Height of frame is OK for strength. With side motor mounts and TCI MII you will need to box.
Forget a sub....6" too wide, unless you are a nose bleed fan.
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Posted by steelhorsefarms  -  05/08/2008 11:30 PM
Well guys, thanks for the info. I'm going to stop looking in the junk yards for a mustang 2 frontends because of what the general cenus and what the junk yards are saying is that the mustang 2 cars have gone to mustang heaven. So I will clean a area out to start setting up the frame and start looking at fat mans and a few other dealers for the frontend setups. Thanks again fellow rodders for heading me in the right direction. I'll start taking pics of the progress and i'm sure that I will be contacting you all again. I had joined another rod web site about a year ago and posted some questions like I have here and it ended up with a couple of guys arguing over what the question was. So I'm very excited over the response that I'm gettiing from this site. See ya all alittle later got to get to work, It sure was a long as- winter. Oh! and keep coming with your comments and ideas, I look forward to each and every email. STEEL HORSE
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