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Steve Armentrout (aka stevena) [ View ] [ stevearmentrout@remax.net ] [ Car Ads ] [ Blogs ] Camden, North Carolina (252) 202-5605

I bought a 1956 F100 3 months ago. The truck has a 351 auto with a Volare front end. NC is going to make me register it as a 2008 Custom reconstructed vehicle. After searching the web I found the link below. Seems like one of NC's finest DMV commissioners got his buddy an antique vehicle tag for his 1937 Ford which is what set this ridiculous law in play. The officer came out to take pictures of the truck and ask lots of questions about what had been done to the truck. He needed the serial number off the engine so I pulled the starter off, took pictures of the ID number sent it to him. The 351 W is a 1972 model. He then told me I needed two appraisals from local car lots. Got them. Then he told me I needed an indemnity bond for the state of NC because it was an out of state modified vehicle. Got that. Then I had to fill out a two page document stating everything that has been done to truck. This document is to aid in my appeal. Got that and going to the drivers license office to get tags for my 2008 reconstructed vehicle tomorrow. Wonder haw they will tax it? 2008 rates? Then what about the emissions, seatbelts, etc? I can understand a 1932 glass car built this year but not vehicles that are 75% original. This is a very unfair law that was caused by a DMV official who abused his power and now we are paying the price. If any of you are in North Carolina and are having the same problem please contact me. They tell me I can appeal it if I want to. In the officers defense he has been very apologetic over this entire fiasco. Read this stuff, Tatum threw his administrative assistant under the bus on this one! http://www.newsobserver.com/front/story/725492.html "A replica 1937 Ford truck belonging to a friend of former Division of Motor Vehicles Commissioner George Tatum has led investigators to nearly 1,000 other vehicles that may have been misclassified as antiques in North Carolina based on fraudulent or nonexistent documentation"

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Posted by Willys33  -  05/05/2008 01:18 AM Government officials doing what government officials do best. They abuse the power of the office, then make others pay for it. No backbone. Get off the trailer and drive [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Alamogordo, New Mexico   Posted by Red's Place Custom & Restoration  -  05/05/2008 06:42 AM Fatman and a few other major players here are working with the DMV to rewrite the law it is too vague and right now doesn't seem to be understood by many. Here in charlotte and surronding counties they will just make you get a title for whatever year the vehicle is and if it is a street rod motor change and all you will get a title for a say 32 ford modified and so on. The real hard part to swallow is for people like me and my customers they won't inspect a car unless it is complete so some of the cars that I am working on the owner can't get title in their name since we started with a project first. The law is reallly trying to get to the guys that buy a glass body and a chassis and build a car without any numbers and then put antique tags on it and drive down the road. Of you do that then NO it isn't a 32 Ford No it isn't A Real Antique and no you will have a custom built car and you will pay the taxes for a new one based on what the appraisels say. Now the real deal is all these people that sell titles for cars that don't belong to them will not be able to use them in NC if it don't have to correct numbers on them and the numbers aren't correct with the little star for ford then your car wont pass. Hopefully this will get more clear as it goes along. Yeah the dmv people don't like it either they have enough to do. RED Red's Place Custom & Restoration [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Charlotte, North Carolina   Posted by jimmothershead  -  05/05/2008 08:56 AM 410 257 6522 Jim [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Huntingtown, Maryland   Posted by gman0046  -  05/05/2008 03:25 PM Probably shades of things to come as other states see a waty to generate more revenue. Just think of what would happen if DMV's started taxing on what these collector cars are insured for. gman0046 [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Anchorage, Kentucky   Posted by 31tudor  -  05/05/2008 03:31 PM Join the SEMA Action Network and get involved. Only enthusiasts like us can make the difference!!! www.semasan.com Eric Hibbs [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] St. George, Utah Charter Member since January 2002   Posted by Red's Place Custom & Restoration  -  05/05/2008 04:18 PM just in case anyone doesn't understand you cannot get an out of state title for a car 35 years or older in north carolina and think you have it made. Even if you have a north carolina title your car still has to go through the inspection and it has to have correct numbers , correct engine , trans and all other equipment that is original to the vehicle or it is listed as a modified car. If it is a glass body, aftermarket chassis youi will get a custom built title. I think some of this is a result of espn and barrett jackson and what some of those cars sell for. Other states will follow suite just wait and see. just because you have a good title from another state doesn't exemp you from the inspection and nc won't take your title if the numbers don't match. Chevy motor in a ford don't match Red's Place Custom & Restoration [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Charlotte, North Carolina   Posted by gman0046  -  05/05/2008 06:12 PM What suprises me the most is that this issue is only being currently addressed in California and North Carolina . I agree with Red in that many other states will be soon to follow. A lot of politicans are crooks but their not stupid. States are losing millions of dollars in tax revenue alone. I think we've been extremely lucky it's taken so long for the gravy train to end. I can't help but think of the havoc that will be created in the "cookie cutter" industry alone. gman0046 [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Anchorage, Kentucky   Posted by 0fatboy2  -  05/05/2008 06:14 PM I'm moving there early next year. What is it going to take to register my coupe? I have a valid nj title and registration. It's real steel 39 fordwith a chevy motor in it. I have it registered here without antique plates with a regular registration. Are there other optionsbeside antique? 0fatboy2 [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] long branch, New Jersey   Posted by gman0046  -  05/05/2008 06:22 PM Ofatboy, looks like you'll have to register it as a 2009 Custom Reconstructed Vehicle just like Steve. gman0046 [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Anchorage, Kentucky   Posted by Red's Place Custom & Restoration  -  05/05/2008 09:27 PM Ofatboy if your title is clear then all you will have to do is go to the dmv have it inspected , they will know it is modified , they will contact raleigh and about 45 minutes later you will be able to go over and get a tag, the title will read 39 Ford but it will have modified designation added to it. Sorta like salvage history on a rebuilt total. I think the problem stevena had is his was a reconstructed title to start with. NC didn't recognize it and made him apply for a bonded title. The bond releases nc from anyone coming after them for titleing a stolen car. IF you don't have a legal title for a car then if it has been modified to a certain percent then it is new construction or reconstruction . just had a 66 mustang and 40 ford done, both were modified and we got titles for each with just modified history. The new law isn't that bad if you have the correct paper work to start with. Some of the inspectors aren't sure what is going on either, mostly in smaller towns where they only have one or two inspectors. Ofatboy by the time you get here maybe it will be easier to understand. One thing to remember is don't make the inspector mad you need him he don't need you. What part of nc are you coming to. Red's Place Custom & Restoration [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Charlotte, North Carolina   Posted by stevena  -  05/06/2008 03:57 AM Red, I DO NOT HAVE A RECONSTRUCTED TITLE! I have a clear Texas title. I would be OK with titling it as a 1956 Ford Modified. The officer told me I would have to title it as a 2008 and go to an appeal later to get it changed if possible. Seems like the law changes from different parts of the state. From what the officer told me, at least in this area. Ofat will need to title as a 2008 and if he wants something different will need to go through the appeals process to get it changed. He better have ALL the serial numbers ready. Forget the 45 minutes, I have been months on this process, getting indemnity bonds,appraisals and letting the officer come out 3 times to look at the truck. Unless something is drastically wrong here in the Elizabeth City area it won't happen in 45 minutes at least not here. I took tudor31's advice. Joined sema, lots of GREAT stuff on the site. I am writing a letter for Basnight, Easley and Owen. If anyone else wants to write let me know. Go to this link if you want to see the truck. http://buzztrader.com/cars/1/01/7/19561017500.html stevena [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Camden, North Carolina   Posted by Red's Place Custom & Restoration  -  05/06/2008 07:25 AM steven I don't know what your inspector thinks of the new law everyone has a different way of reading anything, I know here in charlotte we took a 40 ford with a chevy v8 in i to dmv and they looked at it , took a few pictures, copied the vin number off the frame , went inside and after about 45 minutes raliegh cleared it and we went and got a tag. Most likely all cases will not work the same I don't know why you had to get the bond if you had a good title unless you told them everything was changed on the truck, I did have a customer that told the dmv at the tag office everything from the firewall forward was new on his 66 mustang and they made him get a bond, have it inspected motor number, vin number and the whole works. They said his car was reconstructed but when all he meant was that he had put everything new on car not body wise. IF you tell a dmv man the whole car is new then they think you cut it apart and built it from some other cars sorta like building a total. Hey I'am not trying to make you mad or saying you don't know what you are talking about but something is not right with your truck or your paper work or the inspector, do the appeal and let me know what happens. I would like to see this law straightened out also. One inspector is different than the other maybe they will all get it straight soon. RED Red's Place Custom & Restoration [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Charlotte, North Carolina   Posted by 0fatboy2  -  05/06/2008 07:59 AM Hey Red, Thanks for the info. Here in NJ I have the car registered as any other car without the Historic plates. I bought it from NY which only has regitrations for cars built before 1973. Njdmv took care of everything including issuing a new title and plates. I'm gonna have to check the frame # as I haven't had to do that to see if it's all good. We are moving to Lenoir. We bought a lot at Hawks Hill the car collector community. We liked the layout of the place as it's all wooded and private. Everyone we have met from there are really nice and we can't wait to get there. I hope they get all of this straightened out before we get there. Dave (0fatboy2) 0fatboy2 [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] long branch, New Jersey   Posted by 36Tudor  -  05/06/2008 04:42 PM I'm having the same problem with my 36' Tudor and it has been titled in NC for more than three years. It's a real 36' on a real 36' frame and I gave them copies of the titles for the last two owners. 31' Tudor, I'll take your advise, because the only other thing I can do at this time is take the DMV to court. Thank you. 36Tudor [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Fayetteville, North Carolina   Posted by jimmothershead  -  05/06/2008 08:06 PM Grundy will insure that '36 at agreed value of $40k for about $265 a year. Make it a 2009 and watch the premium go to$525. If a cop pulls you over for a burned out tail light, looks at the old '36, reads the 2009 on the reggie, here comes the $250 roll back. Jim [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Huntingtown, Maryland   Posted by Red's Place Custom & Restoration  -  05/06/2008 10:43 PM 36 tudor call me at the shop tomorrow and I will give you a man's name and number in sanit paul that is a dealer in street rods and has studied the law and knows who to contact in your area shop # 704-509-6397 Red's Place Custom & Restoration [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Charlotte, North Carolina   Posted by gman0046  -  05/07/2008 01:52 AM What does Grundy's have to do with registering vehicles in North Carolina? gman0046 [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Anchorage, Kentucky   Posted by dixie  -  05/07/2008 12:29 PM Nothin gman just a quote about ins prices how they would go up on a newer car {per title } jim grace [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] dade city, Florida Charter Member since January 2006   Posted by stevena  -  05/07/2008 03:11 PM Just spoke to the officer. He said the rules have just changed and we MAY be able to title it as a 1956 Ford truck modified. I am going over there tomorrow and will let you know. Thanks to everyone for your concern and comments! Streetrodders are the best! Steve stevena [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Camden, North Carolina   Posted by stevena  -  06/15/2008 06:32 AM UPDATE********** NC has finally decided (or at least for the time being) on what they are going to title my truck. I am waiting on the title to come back from DMV (going on three weeks now). They "let" me title it as a 1956 Ford Truck modified. I'm good with that! Thank you guys for all the responses and input. The information and phone calls I received were right on the money!!!! Steve stevena [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Camden, North Carolina

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