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Robert Siminger (aka 29robert) [ View ] [ rsiminger@rcs-pdm.com ] [ Car Ads ] [ Blogs ] La Verne, California 909-599-3191

Well, my body (my Tudor's body that is) is off at the painter's and I'm about to send the frame out to be powder coated. Any recommendations how to avoid gunking up all the threaded holes with the powder coating or do I just need to tap everything out when it comes back? Anything to look out for or avoid? I know this stuff is super hard - what's it do to taps? I'm sure The CudaChick can offer some advice. Thanks

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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  09/06/2007 12:19 PM powder coating is no harder than paint. it will tap out easy. keep in mind now that solvents will eat it just like paint. brake fluid will remove it quick............ ask me how i know dont poke the porchdog........he bites [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] BLUFF DALE, Texas Charter Member since March 2003   Posted by 31tudor  -  09/06/2007 02:34 PM Cool news on the body Robert! Okay Shine, how? LOL Eric Hibbs [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] St. George, Utah Charter Member since January 2002   Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  09/06/2007 02:40 PM had a brake leak on a powder coated frame. really did a number on the powder coat. no different than paint. best would be epoxy. dont poke the porchdog........he bites [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] BLUFF DALE, Texas Charter Member since March 2003   Posted by 35window  -  09/06/2007 04:39 PM I Epoxied and BC/CC'd my Frame but Powdercoated the brackets/suspension pieces-I was/am concerned about Brackets and other things that may pop up during the build (Muffler Hangars, Tanny coolers, etc.)- 35window [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] springville, Utah   Posted by Phoenix Specialty Coatings  -  09/06/2007 04:49 PM Robert, congrats on the recent progress on your Tudor! It's gonna be sweet. A very exciting time for you. As Shine said, you can tap everything out when you get your frame back -- cured powders are highly durable, rust-resistent, cost about the same as paint, come in a HUGE variety of colors, textures and finishes, will not ruin your taps, and (aside from random brake fluid incidents), won't crack, peel, run or chip either. But my recommendation -- especially if you're always building a project or need to get large items powder coated frequently -- since your powder coater of choice apparently sadly leaves all the prep and finish work up to you, is to invest in a set of high temp silicone plugs. They come in a variety of sizes, and Eastwood sells them to the public. Here's one of their bigger kits http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=2811&itemType=PRODUCT Okay, now I get to rant for a minute. As a powder coating shop owner, I find it despicable that you, the customer, have to subsidize and do all your own prep and finish work. Sure, if you know the guy, he's one of your buddies and he's cutting you some slack on the price if you do stuff he usually does for his other customers, then that's one thing. But with all due respect, if there is no prior relationship, then what are you paying the powder coater to do? Especially if you have to choose between investing in silicone plugs or spending a few hours' time tapping out a bunch of holes on your frame every time you get something done. As far as I'm concerned, you hire me for my tools and equipment, my supplies, my time, my experience and my talent. And I'm not even expensive (I hate to say I'm cheap being a woman and all LOL). If I let you do all your own prep and finish work, it takes away from my fun and just encourages you to do your own coating in the future since you already have an investment in supplies (silicone plugs). As a paying customer, you shouldn't have to polish anything, or scrape coating off a bearing race, or tap out threads, or dump blasting media out of your intake manifold. All you should have to do is open the shipping box, drool all over the place, and then go install the part. Okay, here's the soap box back. I'm done with it now. Feel free to give me a holler if you have questions Robert. :-) Leanna ~ The CudaChick Owner / Operator Phoenix Specialty Coatings Phoenix Specialty Coatings [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Greenfield, Tennessee   Posted by sellersrodshop  -  09/06/2007 05:45 PM leanna, how close to nashville are you located? i finally started back on my 35 project this week after it sitting idle for about 4 yrs. i am trying to decide whether i want to powdercoat the frame black or paint it to match the body color (new fatmans chassis) & thought if you were fairly close, i might send it your way. sellersrodshop [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] old hickory, Tennessee   Posted by da34guy  -  09/06/2007 07:14 PM Robert--Progress is great, ain't it? So I hear yer drivin the A-Bone to Del Mar!!!!! Don [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Prescott, Arizona Charter Member since October 2001   Posted by Phoenix Specialty Coatings  -  09/07/2007 12:16 AM We're 2 1/2 hours and 150 miles from Nashville wayyyyy up in the northwest corner almost to Kentucky. Thanks for thinking of us, but we specialize in smaller parts -- at least for now anyway. Call me and I can give you the number of a guy in Dyersburg who does good work on large parts. Phoenix Specialty Coatings [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Greenfield, Tennessee   Posted by tazhog54  -  09/07/2007 12:31 AM Cool Robert ,Like Shine said easy to tap out same as when a frame is painted you need to tap out all the holes anyway . The bolts go in a lot easlier and don't have to worry about gulling th e threads!! As for the brake fluid use Silicone dot 4 or 5 Never have to worry about lifting paint or coating and it does't attract water in the lines no rust ! If you need a good guy to do the frame there's a shop up here that does great work and good price's and he's a street rodder. If ya need his number let me know!! The place is Visalia Powder Coating tazhog54 [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] visalia, California   Posted by sloper38  -  09/07/2007 07:44 AM Of course, you don't have to worry about any of this if you use a brush. I'm X38 on any other sites. [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Sydney, Australia   Posted by redbone  -  09/07/2007 10:25 AM The powder coater will plug/mask areas you don't want power coated redbone [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Garner, North Carolina   Posted by 29robert  -  09/07/2007 11:49 AM Thanks folks. I've got a couple local places I'm checking out for powder coating. Hey Tony, I was thinkin of using a roller on the frame, but these guys talked me out of it. LOL Yeh Don, nothin gets my engine reved like shiny stuff. Picked up the fenders, splash aprons, hood top & sides yesterday and will pick up a few more pieces today. Body and doors to follow. Man, this guy is doin a beautiful job. The black paint looks like you can sink your hand in it. I'll be at Del Mar all right, but don't think the car will. I'm shootin for this time next year to get it done. I know you'll have another six cars done by then, but you work at warp speed. LOL Anybody goin to the GNRS in January is welcome at my place again. Maybe we can put the body back on then. 29robert [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] La Verne, California Charter Member since November 2004   Posted by sloper38  -  09/07/2007 08:44 PM Jokes aside, I was looking at a deuce highboy last weekend and the frame was pianted over proof coat, you know like 3M underbody schutz, the crinkly stuff. Truth can be stranger than fiction! Nice to hear of the progress Robert. I'd love you come to the GNRS, but I've gt a roadster to put together then. He he he! I'm X38 on any other sites. [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Sydney, Australia   Posted by scooting  -  09/08/2007 06:08 PM I have built 3 trailers, welded frames with all attaching tapped holes or nuts, had all three powdered coated in Albuquerque and would be upset if there were coating in any tapped hole. It is the coater's job to plug the holes and very simple to accomplish at that. On the east coast, I recently had 26 large weldments, bigger than your frame, done and the coater never blinked an eye when I told him not to coat the tapped holes. Any powder coater that I have ever had work done accepts this as a simple maskoff job and part of normal business. If yours does not, I question his level of quality and profressionalism. Perhaps you just need to tell him how you want the part? Good Luck, you will like the durability of the finish. scooting [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Elkridge, Maryland   Posted by Phoenix Specialty Coatings  -  09/08/2007 07:20 PM Whewwwwwww, thanks Scooting! I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one still interested in craftsmanship and work quality anymore. The way these guys are talking, they're used to tapping out holes. It's not something you'll have to do with my work, I guarantee it. Robert, forgive my ignorance but what's the GNRS and where is it??? We just might have to donate a gift certificate or two if it's too far to attend in person. Phoenix Specialty Coatings [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Greenfield, Tennessee   Posted by DavyJ  -  09/08/2007 08:54 PM Leanna, that stands for the"Grand National Roadster Show" , one of the longest running car shows still being held. As for powdercoaters, i agree my guy does all the prep work, from sand blast to polish and protect the threads. But i still prefer to have the parts as ready as possible to help reduce my costs. Still driving the wife's car, cause I am slow. [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] Niagara Falls, Canada Charter Member since February 2005   Posted by bowtie32  -  09/09/2007 11:03 AM Powdercoating is the way to go. Unless, you are doing spectialty paint work. We do about 12 chassis a year in the INDY area and our powdercoater (POWDER PRO) always uses plugs. In our area THEY do the media blast and all the prep, it's less expensive than paint/labor and it only takes 2-3 days. Good luck..... bowtie32 [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] plainfield, Indiana   Posted by 29robert  -  09/09/2007 04:07 PM Thanks for all your input. I had the names of a couple local powdercoaters and went to visit one on Friday who was highly recommended. This guy does a lot of hot rod stuff and showed me his work. Nice! He'll media blast my frame, plug all the holes, mask the areas I don't want coated, do the powdercoating, and deliver the finished frame back to my garage for $425. He said it'll take him less than a week. Sounds good to me. I just need to finish a little drilling & tapping and a bit of welding then blow the chassis apart. This is getting really exciting now. 29robert [ View ] [ Email ] [ Blogs ] [ Car Ads ] La Verne, California Charter Member since November 2004

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