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Posted: March 09 2007 01:10 PM
 
dave pucci (aka 0fatboy2) [ View ] [ Email ] [ Car Ads ] [ Blogs ]
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I'M GOING TO BE PAINTING MY CAR. I WAS WONDERING WHAT STEPS I SHOULD TAKE. THE BODY WORK WILL BE DONE AND I'LL BE PAINTING OVER EXISTING PAINT. I'VE HEARD ALOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT. AS AN EXAMPLE SOME SAY SAND OVER EVERY COAT OF PRIMER AND OTHERS SAY SAND OVER THE LAST COAT. I NEED TO KNOW AS MUCH AS I CAN. IF YOU GUY'S OR GALS CAN GIVE ME AN IDEA AS TO HOW YOU GO FROM START TO FINISH IT WOULD HELP ME A GREAT DEAL. AS ALWAYS THANK YOU.
 
 
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Posted by bigdude  -  03/09/2007 01:16 PM
Seal it first- or epoxy-then build up with a sandable primer. What system you use dictates what you really do!
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Posted by tlp1968  -  03/09/2007 02:34 PM
Many of the guys on the site are using Southern Polyurethanes Inc system. You might want to follow this link and check them out. Personally....I don't paint. Like the outcome but don't have the patience.
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  03/09/2007 04:16 PM
now it seems to be working. ant way i'm using ppg deltron acrylic urethane and that leads me to ask should i stay with the same brand all the way thru for the best results. i'm taking a vocational class for auto body which geves me access to tools and a paint booth. there isn't a cirriculum and you learn by doing so i'm trying to absorb as much info as i can
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Posted by bigdude  -  03/09/2007 04:45 PM
To be safe yes!
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Posted by da34guy  -  03/09/2007 05:07 PM
Don't make a cocktail. I.E. Mix materials. Use the same mfg from metal all the way up to finish. Good luk on yer 1st 1.
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Posted by Streetrodder007  -  03/09/2007 05:17 PM
When in doubt about the base material if it is good enough to go over, D.A. the whole thing down to bare metal with 80 grit- hog it out as we say ! Then start from scratch. Then do your body work, sand, sand some more, wax n grease remove it, high build primer, sand it some more with 400, block it, scratch coat with light sparay paint, block it some more, wax and grease remove, prep, spray 3-4 decent coats of paint, read all directions, wait, let it set up, clear with 3-4 good coats. Wet sand with 2000 grit, wheel it.

Then stand back, drink a few beers, admire your work, and learn from your mistakes ! Good luck.

Thats a basic in a nutshelf ! Easy enough !
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  03/09/2007 06:14 PM
do you know what kind of paint is on it now? what color is it going to be?
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  03/09/2007 06:30 PM
I don't know what the paint that's on there is now.The people I have spoken to about it and have looked at the car say it's in good enough shape to scuff and paint over. It's not lifted or bubling anywhere and the spots i've done body work to have shown me that it's on there real good. there wasn't much body work to be done, I just don't like the color and I've got this oppertunity to do it. I'm planning on going with black which means everything is going to have to be perfect.
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  03/09/2007 07:26 PM
lay a rag with laquer thinner on it and see if it melts.
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  03/09/2007 07:31 PM
i did that and it had no effect
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  03/09/2007 07:40 PM
i would suggest sanding it down with 180 wet. 2 coats of spi epoxy, wet sand with 320, shoot it with ss black from spi. put 3 coats on, let cure for 48 hrs and then wet sand with 600 then 2 coats of black. sand and buff. if you tear into it your gonna open up a can of worms and end up redoing everything. good luck.
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Posted by da34guy  -  03/09/2007 07:57 PM
Yeah----- What Shine says.
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  03/09/2007 07:59 PM
1932 Ford Roadster
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Posted by Streetrodder007  -  03/10/2007 01:02 AM
Take it down all the way, start from scratch, that way you know what is on the car, quality of work, and use good materials.
Every good house, has to have a good foundation.
Painting over bad base does you no good. It will cost more in the long run.
Experianced guys know what to look for, as in what is a good base and what is barely acceptable.
When you are learning, learn the right way, dont cut corners, read alot, ask alot of questions. Spend some good money, dont scrimp.
Every good painter or engine builder had to learn at one time.
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Posted by sixguns  -  03/10/2007 02:53 PM
I agree, take it down all the way, Doing so is mostly all labor anyway, you know what you got when your done, Paint is too expensive to short cut.
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  03/10/2007 03:52 PM
this can be a simple repaint or a total disaster . if you take it down all the way you will be turning it into a long term project. you will discover what was done before and have to redo it all. might as well tear the car down for a complete rebuild. i have done many repaints over the years. the black 41 coupe on my site was a 15 years old amature laq job. the owner just wanted to change the color. i repainted it with centari enamel, yes over laq . it was done in 95 and still looks good today. before you go grinding on it you best decide what kind of project wanting to do. you can repaint it in a couple of months and go back to driving it or be without a car for the next couple of years.
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Posted by Billnthemale  -  03/10/2007 03:54 PM
Listen to the OLD DOG
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Posted by Streetrodder007  -  03/10/2007 05:04 PM
Stripping it all the way is not that much more work, your already sanding, just sand deaper with heavier paper .

Dont forget, this person is learning, not an experianced painter who knows what to look for, and excatly how to do it, and how deep to go.

You can put $1500 - $2500 of material and 50 - 100 hours of labor into a complete paint job doing it yourself completely. Why take the chance of having to redo it it 1 year from now for an in experianced painter / body man, and end up with twice the amount of money and labor. Does not make sense.

Sure I do agree painting over a good base is fine, IF you know what your doing!
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Posted by Billnthemale  -  03/10/2007 05:12 PM
Well, I did that kind of work for a living for 40+ years and my experance is ,if you have a good sound base and not too many mils of material you are better off than having to strip and redo any body work that has been done in all of those years.Please be advised that that is just my opinion...........
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Posted by Streetrodder007  -  03/10/2007 05:45 PM
I too worked in a large body shop for some years while I was going to vocational school for automechanics, then auto body restoration. I liked the custom full off stuff- its hard to make good money doing that kind of work. The guys who pumped out the full wrecks, made all the cash.

All of us are just giving opinions, no one should take offense or be upset. We all have a slightly different outlook on different projects, thats what makes our cars unique and different.

I think my main point is this person is learning just like we all did years ago, I think thats great. But I also would never tell a new engine man to re-ring a piston and say the motor is brand new and correct, its not, there is alot more to it that that.
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Posted by Billnthemale  -  03/10/2007 06:01 PM
Agreed........
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  03/10/2007 10:51 PM
WOW, I WAS GONE ALL DAY AND I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I GOT BACK TO SEE ALL THE RESPONSES TO MY POST. i AGREE WITH EVERYONE ABOUT IT. I HAVE HAD AN AUTO RESTOREER CHECK IT OUT AND HE SAID THE PAINT AND BODY LOOKED GOOD ENOUGH TO JUST GO OVER. HE DOE'S RESTORATIONS FULL TIME AND IS A FRIEND WHO I CAN TRUST. HE DID A CORVETTE FOR ANOTHER FRIEND OF OURS AND REPAINTED THE WHOLE HOOD FOR A DEFECT HE SAW THAT IT SEEMED ONLY HE COULD SEE. HE DIDN'T CHARGE MY FRIEND BECAUSE THE PAINT WAS A FAVOR FOR A FAVOR RETURNED. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS HE'S A PERFECTIONIST. I KNOW I'M GONNA MAKE MISTAKES AS PART OF THE LEARNING CURVE. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR IMPUT.

BY THE WAY I WAS OUT IN THE CAR AS IT FINNALLY GOT NICE ENOUGH TO GET OUT!!!
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  03/21/2007 10:18 AM
1948 Chevy 4 door Fleetmaster SedanFresh street rod with 100 miles on itStarted with 68,000 mile very solid carBody sandblasted to startEtched and/or epoxy primed & urethane primedUnderside POR15Top side PPG base/clear Black & BlueAll new smoke tint gla
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  03/21/2007 10:34 AM
i'm just going to repaint it. Everone I spoke to in person and the teacher from my class have said that would be the way to go. I wouldn't have time to strip it because the class only runs four more weeks. The body work is going along well and I can tell you from the sanding I've done that the paint is stuck on there well. I changed my mind on the color and i'm going to go with a blue similar to whats on the new toyota trucks or the older ford rangers
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  03/21/2007 10:47 AM
smart move. had you striped it you most likely would be still working on it this time next year any car with only one paint job on it will usualy take a repaint well. there is no reason to stip off a good base. use it as primer and block it down flat. rule of thumb is 6 to 9 mills is ok for a repaint if you sand it well. i would use good epoxy to seal down the older paint . i'm not a fan of 2k primers and would use only epoxy for the surfacing since your gong with a metallic. good luck.
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  03/21/2007 10:57 AM
Thanks Shine I really appreciate your advice. I'll post pics when it's done.
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Posted by JAWS  -  03/21/2007 07:42 PM
One of the many reasons I love this site.
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Posted by dixie  -  03/22/2007 07:28 PM
now man thats what i call getting some advice,{ job well done all of you} sure wish i knew just a little about paint,well maybe i don;t really.
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  05/31/2007 06:58 AM
The paint is on, now to wet sand and buff. I want to thank all of you who gave me the advise I needed to complete this. I also want to thank Lunpy of FATZ LARGE CAR CUSTOMS for letting me use his stuff to get it done and to take the spray gun away from me before I made a mess.
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  05/31/2007 07:50 AM
looks great. now for the absolute best advise i can give you. since you used ppg clear your about to find out it buffs like concrete. block with 1000 then move to soft pad 1200,1500,2000,2500 then use the 3000 foam pad. do small areas at a time. finish a fender then move on . otherwise you will spend for ever buffing and still have scratches showing. next time use spi clear, it buffs
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Posted by johns56  -  05/31/2007 09:43 AM
main thing is are you happy with the job?
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  05/31/2007 02:28 PM
I'm really happy with the way it turned out.

Lumpy said the same thing when I walked in the shop, we're using 1000 then working our way up to 3000 on the foam pad.
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  06/04/2007 09:47 PM
DONE!!!!
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Posted by MUDMANDENNY  -  06/04/2007 10:31 PM
hey dave, it looks great, there may be hope for me yet. if these guys can talk you through it, they`ll already have the practice they need to help a dummy like me.
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Posted by Crazyhorse Rod Shop  -  06/05/2007 07:25 AM
had you ground it down to metal you would still be blocking bondo and primer glad it worked out for you. looks great.
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  06/05/2007 08:17 AM
Thanks again to everyone that helped. I am really happy with the way it turned out. I've never done so much sanding in my life. The one thing I learned from this is there is it takes a ton of work to get something painted. I can't thank Lumpy enough for his help and his eagle eye for perfection. He saw things that I couldn't see even when he pointed them out to me. I've gained alot of knowledge thru this process and I'll be ready to do it again as soon as i the feeling returns to my fingers .
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Posted by flagator79  -  06/05/2007 10:09 AM
Dave, put up some more pictures of your car so all can see.
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  06/05/2007 11:21 AM
You don't have to ask me that twice. The color is 2007 KIA saphire blue. Don't mind the cake atound the gutters i still have to clean it.
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Posted by JCCLARK  -  06/05/2007 12:30 PM
You gotta be proud of that one.

It's beautifull!
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Posted by flagator79  -  06/05/2007 12:50 PM
Dave, first, thanks for putting more pictures up. Second, that thing would look great with some traditional pin striping on it - really spiff it up. The trunk is screaming out for some stripes. Please think about that. Car looks great. It's amazing how the looks of a ride change with just the change of color. Nicely done.


Skeet
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Posted by 0fatboy2  -  06/05/2007 06:58 PM
I agree, I'm thinkin something around the trunk and hood latchs.
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Posted by MUDMANDENNY  -  06/05/2007 08:25 PM
i agree wholeheartedly about the pinstriping, get someone with agood reputation . let them select the colors and locations, they do this for a living and the results are usually out standing. post some pics when you get it done, please.
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