????s - single stage paint

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  • March 01, 2009 12:27 PM - 5225 Views
    kylew At the risk of lighting a fuse - What are the pros and cons of single stage versus BCC paints? Differences in prep, painting, buffing, color match later, repairs and touchups, etc., etc.- Can metallics and pearls be used in single stage? If there is a good website or other source for this info please let me know as I haven't found it so far or maybe I don't know what I'm looking for. I am a good ways from getting into this ( I think) but don't want to make commitments/mistakes that cause problems later. Thanks.
     

     
     
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  • da34guy Rides Info - marlow, Oklahoma
    March 01, 2009 12:31 PM
    da34guy

    PSSSSSSSSST    ----------------------- KABOOOM !!!!!!!

     
  • SAM1951 Rides Info - trussville, Alabama
    March 01, 2009 12:50 PM
    SAM1951

    yea go with single stage.especially if you want to really use your car...easy repair.

     
  • tazhog54 Rides Ads Info - wingate, North Carolina
    March 01, 2009 03:21 PM
    tazhog54

    I use to use single stage in the shop for painting tool boxes, roll bars  push bars ,rims,,Etc.  But at the same time if it was a solid color , we would block it out ( wet sand it )then shoot a light coat  of single stage and  then clear it ! Gave it that  real wet deep  look !

    But with metallics or pearls ( They really need clear over them )it's a no no to buff it! (streaks it ) When your done spraying that's it with it ! What ya see is what you got !
     
  • SAM1951 Rides Info - trussville, Alabama
    March 01, 2009 04:43 PM
    SAM1951

    yea i dont use metallic's with single stage.just solid colors. it rubs out like lacquer. i love it  

     
  • blade58 Rides Info - apopka, Florida
    March 01, 2009 07:55 PM
    blade58

    I painted a 68 goat a pale oem yellow it only was available in single stage looked good did not have to worry about the clear when buffed it easy to do you still can burn through single stage if not careful

     
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  • RHHotRod Rides Info - andover, Minnesota
    March 02, 2009 02:02 PM
    RHHotRod

    Good Qusetion Klew and here's more to add to it...

    I'm going to spray single stage black on the 33 I'm working on now. (Like within the next month)

    House of Color Jet Set Black is what I'm going with.

    Now it sounds like some of you use a clear over the single stage color.

    Is that a good idea or not?

     

    What I've heard is this...

     

    Those for Clear over single stage say:

             Clear adds a "Deeper" or "Wet" look.  or possibly more protection for the buffing, or road protection from nicks.

    Those aganist say:

              Any clear will somewhat cloud the finish as no clear is perfectly clear

              or...  just add more coats of color where your worried about possible burn through.

              or...  by adding clear you have the same matching problems with repairs as a BCC system.

              or...  fixing road rock nicks is easier with no clear.

     

    The repair thing paint match is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned when it comes to a street rod as many are custom colors/ design anyway so it's going to be a hassle with any re-paint. But the info on it will come into play when working with the paint lets say when I get a big ol sag, drip, oops... or misquito in the finish... that fix can be similar to a repair (not that I've ever had anything like that happen......buzzzzzz....)

     

    Ron

     

     

     
  • SAM1951 Rides Info - trussville, Alabama
    March 02, 2009 02:09 PM
    SAM1951

    Ron how big are them misquito's in minn.?

    single stage is so simple.just reminds me of lacquer.......adding clear seems like adding trouble to me.
     
  • sedanbob Rides Info - saint louis, Missouri
    March 02, 2009 06:01 PM
    sedanbob

    I need to update my knowledge base.  When I did most of my painting it was with lacquer primers and catalyzed acrylic enamel colors.  What is the difference between single stage and the old acrylic enamels? 

    We used to shoot clear over acrylic enamel all the time.  Allows you sand and buff to a smooth flat shiny finish. 

    Can somebody bring me up-to-date?  Thanks

     
  • RHHotRod Rides Info - andover, Minnesota
    March 02, 2009 06:01 PM
    RHHotRod

    Hopefully Sam we'll get to meet someday & I'll show ya one in my clear.

    Well........ it never helps when your finishing with a trouble light in the driveway.

    What's that southern boy say...Gotta...Get-er-done

    Yeah....I let it bite me 1st so 200 years from now they can extract my DNA like in Jurassic Park & clone me!

    Won't they be suprised when I grow up...

     
  • SAM1951 Rides Info - trussville, Alabama
    March 02, 2009 07:13 PM
    SAM1951

    Ron,look forward to meeting you and some others on here.yea i never miss knoxville and louisville.unless im dead.and i havent been yet.i am always nicking a fender or rock chips.i need something easy to fix my paint with.well i gotta go "get er done". sam

     
  • DaveHughes Rides Info - seaman, Ohio
    March 02, 2009 10:05 PM
    DaveHughes

    BOB- you can still buy acrylic enamel- Which is a signle stage but I wouldnt paint a streetrod with it .. The Single stage of choice is urethane based paint- I have used it several times- It works great and looks great. It is different than bc/cc in many ways, but can look as good or in someways better if done properly. The only brand I have used is ppg concept. Here is a concept job that has clear mixed in the last two coats- I didnt do this car but It belongs to my Dad and I know what was done per the builder- My car is bc/cc-- IMHO the bc/cc is easier to spot repair/color color match as you can only apply base to a small area and clear the whole panel for blending. Concept can be rubbed somewhat like laquer- the more you rub it the better it looks.

     
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  • REBORN55 Rides Info - de soto, Illinois
    March 02, 2009 11:15 PM
    REBORN55

    Is there anyway to bring single stage back to life.  Ragtop is I believe painted with single stage--done in 95 and would like to get a better finish to it---or maybe leave well enough alone.  Is there a way for a novice to enhance its appearance?  thanks

     
  • DaveHughes Rides Info - seaman, Ohio
    March 03, 2009 08:01 AM
    DaveHughes

    Hey ken- Single stage imho is easier to bring back a shine than clear- , only proble is it wont hold the shine like clear. Have you tried buffing it at all?- If you want I can give you a series of compunds ,glazes and pads that I use. It will definatly bring a gloss back.

     
  • sedanbob Rides Info - saint louis, Missouri
    March 03, 2009 01:55 PM
    sedanbob

    Dave - thanks for the info.  I know I have a lot of catching up to do - been so long since I painted anything.  I have it in my head that I want to do my own paint (figured it out before, surely with help I can figure it out again).  And I really want to say that I did it.  I'll have to upgrade my compressor, and buy a new gun, not to mention add a bunch of lights and some filtered ventilation to my garage (a.k.a. paint booth), but when I'm done I'll still have all the new equipment and refreshed my painting skills. 

    From what I have heard (and your comments as well), it sounds like BC/CC is the way to go, even for solid colors (mine will be metallic).  Thanks again!

     
  • DaveHughes Rides Info - seaman, Ohio
    March 03, 2009 02:40 PM
    DaveHughes

    sue thing Bob- If I can help just let me know- If you have done it before then you wont have much trouble- one of the main things is to DO EXACTLY what the instructions- mixing etc that the product calls for. Todays paints/primers are not as forgiving as the old laquer days..

     
  • RHHotRod Rides Info - andover, Minnesota
    March 03, 2009 05:41 PM
    RHHotRod

    If you want to go to the old days of Lacquer I found these guys at paintforcars.com who sell Acrylic Laquer paint & clear.

    www.paintforcars.com/acrylic_lacquer_paint.html

     

    I'm going to re-do my 38 Plymouth starting this summer, and it has acrylic lacquer on it from 1979. I'm thinking about trying this on it.

    I know it's more to maintain it, but it hasn't bothered me for...well... however may years that is...can't subtract today...

     
  • SAM1951 Rides Info - trussville, Alabama
    March 03, 2009 05:48 PM
    SAM1951

    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 20 uuuhhhhhhhhhhhh 30

     
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  • sedanbob Rides Info - saint louis, Missouri
    March 03, 2009 08:44 PM
    sedanbob

    I don't have to go back to the Lacquer days - I'll be happy to learn the new stuff.  Lacquer was easy though, and as Dave mentioned, very forgiving - I used to paint bicycles as a side job - pinstripes at the lugs, and clear over everything.  The lacquer was fragile until I added the clear - I seem to remember it was called Delclear.

    Ron - you had mosquitos - I had moths.  Repainted the trunk of my car - just shot the last of it when the moth showed up.  He did a couple of loops, then landed upside down in the wet paint - struggled and dragged himself over 3 inches before he got stuck.  Next day I sanded it all out, primed and blocked again, shot the color, and just as I was finishing up, another moth commits suicide in my paint job.  This one was near the edge, and died quickly - after everything dried, I buffed him out - or at least the parts that stuck out. 

     

     
  • DaveHughes Rides Info - seaman, Ohio
    March 03, 2009 09:35 PM
    DaveHughes

    sorry Bob- even the new stuff is no match for kamikaze moths...lol -thats a funny story- but I am sure you wasnt laughin much when it happened

     
  • buzz4041 Rides Info - corpus christi, Texas
    March 03, 2009 10:27 PM
    buzz4041

    SPI has a nice article on painting and some of the pro's here really reccomend their products. Have a read I found it very informative for my future plannings. http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/perfect%20paint.htm

     
  • RHHotRod Rides Info - andover, Minnesota
    March 04, 2009 02:23 PM
    RHHotRod

    I love it Bob...Just buff it get in and drive it... I bet unless you point it out no one has ever noticed. I don't know how much of the moth you can still see, but I mean you can see the whole misquito in my clear, legs wings stinger...it's a hoot. No one ever mentions seeing it anyway...

     

    Thanks for the link Buzz

     
  • SAM1951 Rides Info - trussville, Alabama
    March 04, 2009 02:47 PM
    SAM1951

    where can i get me one of these mosquitos? we got um but i want one of them like yall got !

     
  • sedanbob Rides Info - saint louis, Missouri
    March 04, 2009 04:34 PM
    sedanbob

    Buzz - thanks for the link - that is a good article.  I have looked for just that sort of straight-forward instruction - use this product - wait this long - don't do this - use this next - wait this long - et cetera.  Nobody else seems to think to publish something like that. 

     

    Sam - go to northern Minnesota - wait til dark - step outside...  You'll have all the mosquitos you ever wanted, and more.  And some bug repellants seem to work on mosquitos like Chanel No. 5!  Seems to attract more. 

     
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